Yes, although this "spiritual" thing is mostly just native flag waving, which would quickly be dumped if it meant careers and finances were on the line.
Thank you Gary again for pointing out yet another disturbing development that makes it difficult not to question the mental state of the document's authors. This "strategy" is clearly in-line with continued pursuit of He Paupau, essentially Maori tribal autonomy and power sharing by 2040. Complete with the usual tribal activist re-writing of the Treaty to include content that simply isn't there. Te ao Māori ( Maori world view) is neither affirmed nor guaranteed in what is a short, very straightforward Treaty/agreement, nor is protection over and above that afforded to every other citizen of this nation. Our coalition Government, certainly Luxon and National who have been dragging the chain, are failing to fix the problem of our civil service and judiciary still being riddled with tribal activists and Ardern acolytes, which the nation's ongoing economic woes as well as an insurgent MSM continue to mask.
Yes...just another reminder of the silent coup Maori radicals are engineering and brainwashing the public into supporting. God help NZ. Luxon is on their side. Sad sad sad!
Thanks Gary, have been hearing about this via the Platform the last couple of days, so very much appreciate the summary.
To be honest, I am really rather sick and tired of this bullshit. For bullshit it is. And it should be called as such. For there is no argument, whether scientific, logical or theological that supports such pagan beliefs. FFS, if you really think that we are guided by spirits and stars, and trees are gods, then you are seriously deluded. And only about 5,000 years behind the times.
I am on the fence as to whether these morons actually believe this pagan crap, or that they are simply using it as a means to control behaviour and leverage power through this. On one hand they are dumb enough to believe in tapu (boo!), but on the other hand they are crafty little miscreants who can sniff out an easy buck from the far end of the trough.
The other question every sane Kiwi should be asking themselves is how the f*** does our so-called Church-going Prime Minister reconcile this spiritual bunkum with his Christian values. We certainly never asked for this crap.
This explains to our international trading and security partners that our Parliament relied upon astrology rather than science or data. And fourteenth century astrology at that!
Are we in 1789 France, which devolved into religious fancies. The feminised, and feminist bureacracy , as our learned friend,Mr Sissons, says is out of control. Indeed, it is on its own parasitical gnostic mission, through the shamelful and reckless invasion of Maori culture to destroy the established order.
I was told in my last job, in true Maoist terms that "white haired, white old men need to clear out." Marcuse opined that women would be the means to bring down our culture. Maori are the new Red Guard. The current parliamentary useful idiots should heed the history of the 1966 Cultural Revolution. The object is not a new Maoridom but the death cult of Marxist (Fannon who saw spiritual revival in killing people) - destroy it all- revolution. What is to be done?
I feel completely let down by the coalition government - although the betrayal of the people by their governments is not just limited to NZ. How we find honest politicians to represent us I don’t know - certainly doesn’t look hopeful in the softly corrupt political culture Robert McCulloch outlined.
Perhaps I wrote a little too cryptically and subtly before, while I was at my luncheon café. Allow me now to edit my remarks as follows.
While I completely reject the insertion of Maori spiritual values within our democratic governance, I would wish to continue to assert the Christian foundations of our civilization and our State, whereby our Head of State, the Monarch in Right of New Zealand, was crowned by the Church of England Hierarch the Archbishop of Canterbury, and bears the title in New Zealand as 'Defender of the Faith,' as under (though clearly not dependent upon) the Royal Titles Act 1974.
Otherwise, should we not abolish our two national anthems, those twin fervent Christian prayers, 'God Save the King,' and 'God Defend New Zealand'? Should we also not then abolish our Monarchy? Only as if to be consistent?
I would suggest that if we were to fully reject the Christian foundations of our State, then surely, set free from all traditions and civilizational foundations, we will be completely cast adrift in a nihilistic sea of nothingness, without navigation, without place to stand, we will be nothingness, E Kore, E Kore, subjected only to the wild shamanistic waves of those so-called Celestial Powers, without any anchor or control, without protection,
Thus, the maintenance and assertion of the Christian foundations of our State remain as the best protection that we have against the increasing insertion of the alternative 'pagan spiritualism.'
Continuing to insist upon the 'secularity' of the state perhaps rather feeds and facilitates the increase of 'mana,' 'tapu' and the 'guidance of celestial powers.' Note that these developments have only arisen since the dear Speaker Mr Mallard obliterated the previous Anglican opening prayer in the House of Representatives. Nature abhors a vacuum, perhaps.
Therefore, if we want to limit the advance of the reconstituted 'pagan spirituality,' then we need to return to the Christian roots of our Western Civilization (and without this we have almost no firm basis for Western values). The 'Enlightenment' rejection of the Catholic faith merely allows for all manner of other distorted spiritualities to come in and fill the space.....
Thanks for clarifying William. I know a thing or two about religion but was still trying to work out your first post which leaned toward the far end of abstruse. Or maybe I am just not smart enough to get it.
But yes, having. now read your more articulated perspective, I concur. A society has to have some worldview and the Judeo-Christian one has served us well. It has (had) found a relatively functional arrangement with the secular values of the Enlightenment and thus we inherited a world that was most wonderful to live in (albeit still flawed of course). But better than the rest of them to paraphrase Churchill.
There is a grey line between Church & State, which has been tested & moved over centuries. But you are most correct with your 'vacuum' comment. To borrow a line from Bob Dylan, 'You gotta serve somebody. Now it may be a fucked up tribal, animistic & wholly dysfunctional belief system for dipshits or it may be the Lord, but you gotta serve somebody'.
Some of us accept the veracity of an actual Creator, others may not. It's a free world. But find me a better system. And to see these TPM clowns in Parliament attacking the system that affords them the freedoms they seem only too happy to abuse, is sickening.
This document reinforces the civil religion already starting to control our lives. It is insidious because It would try to influence the way we think about ourselves. It would undermine democracy because it shifts the centre of power away from the individual towards the state which decides how we should behave and what spiritual insight we should have. It is pretentious, misleading, and ambiguous.
This tikanga belief may not be such a bad thing. Just went on to google search and I like it. There seems to be no writen law and you can make up what ever suits. From here on in I'm going to drive at what ever speed I want. Best thing is "Provisional Tax" is a thing of the past. Life is good.
This is an offence to the sacrifices made by hundreds of thousands of people who have fought including the Enlightenment and many just wars since.
The separation of religion from the state was and is the foundation of democracy.
This is tragic.
Yes, although this "spiritual" thing is mostly just native flag waving, which would quickly be dumped if it meant careers and finances were on the line.
Careful now. You may trip over your own internal contradictions..
"Enlightenment" surely abolished all Augustinian Just War? Hence we gained Napoleon's wars of glory...
And how could we accept any valid Sacrifice or Offering? Upon which altar were they offered?
For, if we wish to stand upon 'Enlightenment' alone, then we would need to fully obliterate all other Temples,
Excepting the Temple of Pure Reason, and submit to its Positivist Priesthood alone,
Thank you Gary again for pointing out yet another disturbing development that makes it difficult not to question the mental state of the document's authors. This "strategy" is clearly in-line with continued pursuit of He Paupau, essentially Maori tribal autonomy and power sharing by 2040. Complete with the usual tribal activist re-writing of the Treaty to include content that simply isn't there. Te ao Māori ( Maori world view) is neither affirmed nor guaranteed in what is a short, very straightforward Treaty/agreement, nor is protection over and above that afforded to every other citizen of this nation. Our coalition Government, certainly Luxon and National who have been dragging the chain, are failing to fix the problem of our civil service and judiciary still being riddled with tribal activists and Ardern acolytes, which the nation's ongoing economic woes as well as an insurgent MSM continue to mask.
Just another facet of New Zealand’s constitutional arrangements that have been undermined by an out of control bureaucracy
Yes...just another reminder of the silent coup Maori radicals are engineering and brainwashing the public into supporting. God help NZ. Luxon is on their side. Sad sad sad!
Thanks Gary, have been hearing about this via the Platform the last couple of days, so very much appreciate the summary.
To be honest, I am really rather sick and tired of this bullshit. For bullshit it is. And it should be called as such. For there is no argument, whether scientific, logical or theological that supports such pagan beliefs. FFS, if you really think that we are guided by spirits and stars, and trees are gods, then you are seriously deluded. And only about 5,000 years behind the times.
I am on the fence as to whether these morons actually believe this pagan crap, or that they are simply using it as a means to control behaviour and leverage power through this. On one hand they are dumb enough to believe in tapu (boo!), but on the other hand they are crafty little miscreants who can sniff out an easy buck from the far end of the trough.
The other question every sane Kiwi should be asking themselves is how the f*** does our so-called Church-going Prime Minister reconcile this spiritual bunkum with his Christian values. We certainly never asked for this crap.
This explains to our international trading and security partners that our Parliament relied upon astrology rather than science or data. And fourteenth century astrology at that!
Are we in 1789 France, which devolved into religious fancies. The feminised, and feminist bureacracy , as our learned friend,Mr Sissons, says is out of control. Indeed, it is on its own parasitical gnostic mission, through the shamelful and reckless invasion of Maori culture to destroy the established order.
I was told in my last job, in true Maoist terms that "white haired, white old men need to clear out." Marcuse opined that women would be the means to bring down our culture. Maori are the new Red Guard. The current parliamentary useful idiots should heed the history of the 1966 Cultural Revolution. The object is not a new Maoridom but the death cult of Marxist (Fannon who saw spiritual revival in killing people) - destroy it all- revolution. What is to be done?
I feel completely let down by the coalition government - although the betrayal of the people by their governments is not just limited to NZ. How we find honest politicians to represent us I don’t know - certainly doesn’t look hopeful in the softly corrupt political culture Robert McCulloch outlined.
Perhaps I wrote a little too cryptically and subtly before, while I was at my luncheon café. Allow me now to edit my remarks as follows.
While I completely reject the insertion of Maori spiritual values within our democratic governance, I would wish to continue to assert the Christian foundations of our civilization and our State, whereby our Head of State, the Monarch in Right of New Zealand, was crowned by the Church of England Hierarch the Archbishop of Canterbury, and bears the title in New Zealand as 'Defender of the Faith,' as under (though clearly not dependent upon) the Royal Titles Act 1974.
Otherwise, should we not abolish our two national anthems, those twin fervent Christian prayers, 'God Save the King,' and 'God Defend New Zealand'? Should we also not then abolish our Monarchy? Only as if to be consistent?
I would suggest that if we were to fully reject the Christian foundations of our State, then surely, set free from all traditions and civilizational foundations, we will be completely cast adrift in a nihilistic sea of nothingness, without navigation, without place to stand, we will be nothingness, E Kore, E Kore, subjected only to the wild shamanistic waves of those so-called Celestial Powers, without any anchor or control, without protection,
Thus, the maintenance and assertion of the Christian foundations of our State remain as the best protection that we have against the increasing insertion of the alternative 'pagan spiritualism.'
Continuing to insist upon the 'secularity' of the state perhaps rather feeds and facilitates the increase of 'mana,' 'tapu' and the 'guidance of celestial powers.' Note that these developments have only arisen since the dear Speaker Mr Mallard obliterated the previous Anglican opening prayer in the House of Representatives. Nature abhors a vacuum, perhaps.
Therefore, if we want to limit the advance of the reconstituted 'pagan spirituality,' then we need to return to the Christian roots of our Western Civilization (and without this we have almost no firm basis for Western values). The 'Enlightenment' rejection of the Catholic faith merely allows for all manner of other distorted spiritualities to come in and fill the space.....
Thanks for clarifying William. I know a thing or two about religion but was still trying to work out your first post which leaned toward the far end of abstruse. Or maybe I am just not smart enough to get it.
But yes, having. now read your more articulated perspective, I concur. A society has to have some worldview and the Judeo-Christian one has served us well. It has (had) found a relatively functional arrangement with the secular values of the Enlightenment and thus we inherited a world that was most wonderful to live in (albeit still flawed of course). But better than the rest of them to paraphrase Churchill.
There is a grey line between Church & State, which has been tested & moved over centuries. But you are most correct with your 'vacuum' comment. To borrow a line from Bob Dylan, 'You gotta serve somebody. Now it may be a fucked up tribal, animistic & wholly dysfunctional belief system for dipshits or it may be the Lord, but you gotta serve somebody'.
Some of us accept the veracity of an actual Creator, others may not. It's a free world. But find me a better system. And to see these TPM clowns in Parliament attacking the system that affords them the freedoms they seem only too happy to abuse, is sickening.
This document reinforces the civil religion already starting to control our lives. It is insidious because It would try to influence the way we think about ourselves. It would undermine democracy because it shifts the centre of power away from the individual towards the state which decides how we should behave and what spiritual insight we should have. It is pretentious, misleading, and ambiguous.
This tikanga belief may not be such a bad thing. Just went on to google search and I like it. There seems to be no writen law and you can make up what ever suits. From here on in I'm going to drive at what ever speed I want. Best thing is "Provisional Tax" is a thing of the past. Life is good.
We now have a taxpayer supported civil religion sustained by cultural relativism and its avant-garde the cult of diversity.
There are almost 5,000 Gods being worshipped by humanity, but which of them is the right one..??
Karakia is a regular and standard practice in the Environment Court.
Thanks, Frank. I had heard that from someone else.