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Ron Segal's avatar

Thanks Gary. Surely forced indoctrination should be, although I'm unclear whether it is, contrary to the Bill or Rights, but if not perhaps it is time there was new legislation making it so. That is prohibiting forced indoctrination of political, religious or sociological ideology onto those who are effectively a captive audience without a realistic option not to listen or walk away without negatively impacting their employment, career or professional standing. That includes employees, members of professional and trades associations and students. Furthermore it should be unlawful to discriminate against those who choose not to participate. This would surely be no more difficult to introduce and enforce than say employment legislation that addresses unfair dismissal.

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Thank God for you Gary Judd.

I too believe the answer lies in section 13 of the NZBORA. I am a second year student of the law who sat through 12 hours of Tikanga lectures at the beginning of my first year of study. I felt I was being subjected to a form of religious indoctrination of which I was not a willing participant. A quick glance at any legitimate dictionary definition of 'religion' set alongside the university's Tikanga teaching materials will confirm to all and sundry that it is in actual fact compulsory religious education under the guise of 'cultural training' and 'first law'.

My offered feedback was that the lectures appeared to be too dogmatic to be considered appropriate outside a place of worship.

Judicial considerations of Tikanga into common law are celebrated - I can only observe this as a blurring of the lines between church and state (all over again.)

I personally grew up with a foundation of christian belief, turned athiest in my early twenties, enjoyed buddhist practices in my late twenties, took up with my now Moroccan muslim partner and returned to christianity in recent years with a deeper understanding than I held as a child. My point is... I've been everywhere. We should all have the freedom to explore our own conscience and belief systems, as and when our own hearts desire.

I agree with you wholeheartedly Gary. The idea that Tikanga as a world view is encompassed by all with a degree of Maori ancestry is a ridiculous statement of claim. People practise their own private beliefs and to suggest that my friends with Maori lineage collectively all think and feel the same would be deeply insulting to anyone's sense of personal sovereignty.

With regard to Tikanga in state-funded schools, or, Tikanga as common law considerations in our courts, or compulsory Tikanga in our universities (partially state-funded).... surely, once Tikanga is officially defined as a religion we will be able to draw the line once more between church and state?

Perhaps section 13 of the NZBORA is able to renew our personal sovereignty. I am grateful to Janet for the very real and brave battle she is undertaking. I will be following your journey closely and wishing you both all the very best.

Kind regards

Johanna Herbert

The link below is worth a look for anyone interested.

https://teara.govt.nz/en/traditional-maori-religion-nga-karakia-a-te-maori/print

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