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I think Locke, Jefferson and Mill had it right. Bentham was - as usual - a bit over the top in his critique.

The other Jefferson aphorism that was burned into my brain at the Jefferson Memorial in DC is "Eternal hostility to any form of tyranny over ther mind of man" At least as meaningfulr as the self-evident truths

Nice piece Gary

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Hello Gary Judd KC. Hope you are well. I appreciate the time and thoughts as always. With that in mind it is a duty to respect your efforts with an attempt to respond. You make a strong case that rights do not depend on government permission, and I agree with your Locke based defence of individual freedom and political equality. But precisely because of that, I think your analysis leaves three important gaps which matter a lot in the NZ context.

1) NZBORA is not operating in a vacuum. Its discrimination and “affirmative action” settings are now routinely read together with UNDRIP and Treaty partnership language to justify permanent, group-based governance arrangements, not just time limited remedial measures. That is a significant shift from the individual rights frame as a defended argument, and it is happening largely through policy, tribunals, appointed Crown university consultants providing so called "independent" support (e.g. Quince) , and professional standards, rather than explicit, contested parliamentary choices.

2) Bentham was wrong to dismiss all pre-legal rights as “nonsense upon stilts”, but he was right that rights rhetoric can become a vehicle for whatever programme elites already favour. In NZ, UNDRIP style “self-determination” and a “living -reaty” are increasingly treated as self justifying answers, used to normalise co-governance, tikanga as freestanding law, and preferential indigenous capital and discounted tax regimes, all under the moral cover of human rights, without ever putting the constitutional end state clearly to voters.

3) The Iran vs New Zealand contrast risks oversimplifying the real problem maybe? The issue is not the absence of rights, but the source and trajectory of new “rights” claims. Through independent agencies, courts, soft-law and intentional appointments, so we are seeing durable ancestry based structural powers installed in health, education, environmental governance and finance (RBNZ treaty alignment is being firmed up for banks to adopt), in a way most citizens do not fully see or consent to but accept as seemingly being approved. From a Lockean perspective, that is at least as much a constitutional concern as any crude denial of rights. So I share your belief that no person is naturally another’s master. My worry is that a great deal is now being done in NZ under the banner of human rights, UNDRIP and Te Tiriti that quietly re-introduces group-based tribal master privileged rights by other means, and that this is happening through elite driven “living” interpretation rather than open democratic settlement. If you were to apply your own criteria about bogus-rights and political-equality to this soft law, Treaty UNDRIP architecture, I suspect you might find more to criticise in it than your article presently acknowledges. Regards. Rob

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