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johanna herbert's avatar

Thanks Gary, that was very informative.

As a country we really do need to start having this conversation about karakia, both in and out of the court room. Well aware as I am that words contain extraordinary power, I learnt my six nieces and nephews were required to say karakia everyday at school. I explained to them the power of words and urged them to never speak words of which the meaning was unknown to them. They all assured me they would find out the meaning before uttering any words. I felt comforted, but I know to what degree social pressure compels our actions when we are young.

Recently I attended my nephew's assembly at New Plymouth Boys High where over 1200 boys recited a karakia in unison. I felt saddened as I sat and listened to those young men being compelled to utter words that were not necessarily from their own minds.

Waikato Law School Tikanga lectures open and close with karakia. Opening - invoking the world of light (Te Ao Marama) and closing - releasing the students back out into the world. In the final week it was announced the karakia was going to be done "differently today, because we are ALL going to say it together". I sat quietly, comfortable in my own beliefs, but the students around me all tried their best as the lecturer watched on. It is relevant that part of those lectures taught about Makutu, which is described as "witchcraft, sorcery, a spell, or incantation. A belief in malignant occult powers still relevant to Māori today. Traditionally used as a substitute for civil law to preserve order in the community" and described as "effective because it could be carried out in secret so that an element of uncertainty produced caution on the part of those who might break the laws of the community."

It's interesting isn't it... lawyers, judges, teachers are all people who know (or should know) the extraordinary power of words and yet when it comes to karakia few seem interested in knowing what is being spoken over their lives. There certainly is a growing (cult)ure.

I very much appreciate your posts and all your hard work Gary. Also a thank you to Warren on this occasion.

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Ron Segal's avatar

Thanks Gary. The simple statement "No-one appearing in a court of justice should be expected to participate in or be required to passively acquiesce in the cultural practices of another group." For me sums up the concern.

Karakia in courts and in other inappropriate circumstances, to me seems like cheap disingenuous, patronising virtue signalling to calm the natives and perhaps salve the conscience, particularly as few well educated people would actually believe in spiritual animism.

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